THESE ARE NOT MINE (http://poorridgeranch.com/bsalfav2.html)
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Dustin Biery |
Jaynie.....or other Faverolles fans..... |
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I know you have some faverolles and I know there are a few others that do as well....Someone let me know what they think of these birds....
THESE ARE NOT MINE (http://poorridgeranch.com/bsalfav2.html)
Last Edited By: Dustin Biery 08/26/08 09:21 PM.
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tadkerson |
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Dustin,
The male up front is blue. I have never had faverolle so that is about all I have to write. Tim |
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Dustin Biery |
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Well, I think they are all blues. I figured some of the ladies that has them and knows about them would pop in and tell me what they think..Hope someone does
soon!
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jimnjay |
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Sorry Dustin, I have not been checking out this forum much lately. The Rooster in the Back is very nice. The distinction between the white and black is
great and there is not any off color in the neck, the hackles look great too. The little hen squatting down seems to be a nice rich color. It is hard to
tell about type and to tell the truth, I have never seen another Faverolle in person. I have only checked them out on Feathersite and the Faverolle Club
site. I would like to have all the hens and the rooster I mentioned. As it turns out, I don't have any adult Faverolles at the moment. I lost my dear
Balck Beard and one hen. The remaining hen was causing problems with the youngsters so I gave her away. I only have a young pair and plan to hatch some eggs
as soon as I get home from vacation.
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mthrclckr |
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It's hard to see details from this photo, but it looks like the blue roo closest to the front has a humongous comb. I've heard of breeders selecting
out Faverolles roos from the breeding pen for having combs that are too big or don't have the standard 5 points. I personally think he's very handsome,
but if the breeder is going for perfection/SQ, the comb might take that guy out of the running... Then again, if these birds are not yet full-grown, maybe he
has yet to grow into his comb.
I've found that it's very difficult to judge young Faverolles. I don't think they really finish maturing for nearly a year. Somebody like Peter Merlin can start culling from the moment the chicks hatch, but as long as there aren't any obvious things that would immediately disqualify a bird from show (missing toes, featherless feet, wrong comb), I'd just let 'em grow out and hope for the best. Okay - here's the page from the Faverolles Fanciers of America that shows some very nice birds: http://www.faverollesfanciers.org/id4.html You can see the size of the combs. Also, Peter's article can be found on the site. I personally could never cull, but it's a good read - he covers just about everything to look for in Favs. I think the birds here are beautiful, though. I LOVE Faverolles and would use *any* of those roos to breed with my Fav girls (well, if they were bantams). Very nice! -Naomi |
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Dustin Biery |
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Are Blue faverolles recognized yet? I know nothing about this breed....
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mthrclckr |
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A friend of mine showed his blue Faverolles bantams at a sanctioned show last year. They almost got DQ'ed because he entered them as salmons, but the judge
was nice and just switched them to the correct variety (blue). With the hens, it's REALLY difficult to differentiate between the blue salmons and regular
salmons.
I don't know about the standard-sized Faverolles, though. It's possible that the blues are only recognized in the bantams. I don't have either APA or ABA book of Standards, but the Henderson's Breed Chart indicates that salmon and white are the only recognized colors. -Naomi |
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pfmerlin |
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Hi all, I realize this response to some of the questions here is a tad late but I thought I would post something anyway.
The selected birds consist of salmon and blue salmon. In the females I'd have to see them in person to determine which they are. If there is a blue( not slate) hue in the under feathering and especially in the wing they would be blue salmon. The variety blue salmon is not an accepted variety for either national club, ABA APA. A blue variety (solid blue even in the males) is accepted in the ABA. The only colors accepted in LF or bantam with the APA are salmon and white. The burn spot memtioned is a characteristic that is required in Germany (both the btm and LF) and now reflected in the APA description. It is neither good nor bad in the LF or btm for the APA description.. Some judges in this country may not have kept up with the current description and may give their own opinion that there is a preference to clean neck feathers. There is not. If you have a current APA standard one could always flip it out if you know for sure a male with a burnspot in the show has been given preferred placement under a clean necked male. I've had this happen and had a talk with the judge after the judging. He was unaware. Since the inclusion of the burnspot was brought up originally by myself and written into the description after being accepted by the members of Faverolles Fanciers at the time, then approved by the standard committee of the APA. It still stands and probably will be there always. The research was done extensively. Since the Germans origanally created the bantams and already included it in the LF version of description it was given respect. The germans "suggest" it and give it preference on cockerels and then "require it" on a cock bird of two years or older. The British calls for a clean neck with no reference to a burn spot. As the US had influx of both we all felt it should appear in the APA standard. I hope that clears up the variety question. Small note on the comb size. If these birds were hatched in the heat of the SE US during what would be considered "regular Jan, Feb March" hatching dates they would very naturally have larger combs. As I live in Tampa my personal hatching is done in late July or August. Thusly, I don't show cockerels or pullets because they would not be mature enough to compete. This insight of a better season to hatch birds for my particular flock was handed down to me by a consumate breeder and geneticist by the name of Clause Twissleman. It has worked for me in all the breeds I have had over the years. If you have any further Fav questions I am always happy to try and answer them if I can. My personal website can be found with pics of birds I have raised and different articles I and others have written @ www.peterfmerlin.tripod.com/Choices.htm Peter F Merlin -) |
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Dustin Biery |
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Peter, thank you for that. I am headed to your site now. Looks like you may have a lot to offer our forum and I look forward to more of your educational posts!
ETA: Your link to your site doesn't work...
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mthrclckr |
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As a Faverolles fancier, I feel as though I'm in the presence of greatness... So honored to have you here, Mr. Merlin!
-Naomi |
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pfmerlin |
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sorry every body. we'll try this http://peterfmerlin.tripod.com/
thanks for letting me know Dustin. Naomi, thank you so much but you make my face turn red..lol All I ever did was promote this breed and the rest just happened mainly because I had no idea no one hadn't shown them in quantities of 25 or more since the 1940's..... I was very naive when I first got them, I had no idea they were even rare... I am happy to be here and will post some other observations as we all go along. Peter
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tuffoldhen |
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I'm not getting the links to work either.
~ ~ Blue/Black/Splash Orpingtons, Black Orpingtons and Light Brahmas ~ ~
~~~~~ Project Lavender Orpingtons and Split Black Lav Orps ~~~~~~ |
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Dustin Biery |
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It worked for me Tuff when I clicked onthe http: link in post #10
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